Safety & Security Committee Approved Minutes
Approved Minutes
Safety and Security Committee Meeting
July 9, 2007
Members Present Security Representative
Steve Cakouros (Chair) George Dodson
Ed Rowan
Dick Bradie BOD Liaison
Jim Biggs
Doug Weiford Bill Wilson
Members Absent Visitors
Lynn Huntsman (V. Chair) Kathleen Bradie (Rules)
Mike Pulice Bill Grogan (LCC)
Jim Drabant (Finance Liaison)
Bruce Kay
Tom Sheridan
Don Walters
I. Call to Order. Meeting was called to order by Chairman Cakouros at 7:03 PM.
II. Motion to approve June 11, 2007 Minutes. Motion to approve minutes made by Doug Weiford, seconded by Jim Biggs, and approved unanimously.
III. Announcements
A. Steve said that he sent an email to the Lake Currents editor reminding her that our August meeting will be at 3:00 PM so that the appropriate notice can be given to members.
B. Steve noted the new LOW telephone directory finally reflects our correct meeting day as the second Monday of the month.
C. The General Manager has asked all committees to arrange for a presentation on Channel 17. Dick Bradie said he would do it but would like an input from the chairman. Steve agreed to give him a written input.
D. Steve said he will write an annual report by 1 August as requested by the GM.
E. Lastly (and belatedly), Steve announced that Ed Hite, former committee member, has had brain surgery and is currently recovering at home. Additional surgery is necessary.
IV. Old Business
A. Non-motorized wheeled vehicle prohibitions. As previously indicated, Steve discussed events from the last LOWA Board meeting. A revised version of proposed regulation changes was read. It would allow skateboarding, roller-blades, roller-skates, and scooters on Yorktown Blvd, contrary to our Committee recommendation. Bill Wilson and Ginny Thoms brought forth a motion to amend the proposal (first reading) to include Yorktown as a prohibited roadway along with Lakeview and Mt. Pleasant. This amendment passed 4 to 2. The Board also voted to allow non-motorized wheeled vehicles to use basketball courts. Subsequent floor discussion brought up the potential damage that such devices can do to the court’s surface and the question of who gets priority usage--skateboarders or basketball players. Bruce Kay mentioned a problem he has observed with skateboarders without protective gear going down some of our hilly back roads at high speeds. Discussion then focused on skateboard parks. Jim Drabant noted that Culpeper has experienced problems with their skateboard park. Doug Weiford added that Lakeridge/Woodbridge has also experienced problems with their skateboard facility. There was some discussion on the best possible location for of our skateboard park. Bill Wilson is of the opinion that the site by the former teen center is not the best location
B. Rear Gate Camera. Doug recapped the latest information on activities to install live cameras at the rear gate. He said that the maintenance superintendent is in charge and has received two contractor bids, one for $12,000 and one for $7,000. The latest plan is to install one camera to monitor incoming traffic and one to watch the exit lane. A third small camera would be set up to focus on people who would use the planned two-way telephone call box. Tom Sheridan opined that the large difference in bids may need to be explained. Ed Rowan and Jim Biggs argued for a comprehensive purchase plan for video cameras instead of doing it piecemeal. Bruce Kaye recommended that a milestone chart with goals be developed so that progress can be constantly monitored. Don Walters suggested that the committee go before the Board in executive session and report on progress/lack of progress plus reporting periodically in Lake Currents so that the membership is aware of the issues involved.
C. Ad-Hoc Committee on Security. Ed Rowan said that no further progress has been made, but he was going to discuss the matter with the General Manager.
D. Loud Car Radios. Steve applauded George Dodson’s article in the June 22nd issue of Lake Currents. It asked residents who were bothered by loud car radios to gather information and report sightings of the boomers so that Security can attempt to
catch the offenders. Steve noted that this is a change in the standard policy that
requires residents to file a formal complaint and thereby leave themselves vulnerable to retaliation. Steve then passed out copies from a June 27th Free-Lance Star article on Fredericksburg’s continuing efforts to combat nuisance motor vehicle noise in the downtown area. It focuses on loud exhaust systems as well as radios.
E. Dangerous Dogs. Steve passed out an updated Free Lance-Star article on the state’s effort to put the Dangerous Dog Registry online. Senator Houck, original sponsor of the legislation, is quoted as comparing the list to the state’s sex offender registry. “The whole thing is the public’s right to know,” he said. Steve then referred back to some comments made at the last Board meeting during a brief question and answer session with Chief Deputy Sheriff Mark Amos. Steve told Deputy Amos that some taxpayers in LOW are concerned about the lengthy response times for a deputy to respond to serious situations in LOW. This delay also pertains to animal control personnel. Steve suggested that the ultimate solution, whether it is a sub-station near LOW or a deputy permanently assigned to northeastern Orange County, needs to be worked out. Ed Rowan then discussed a recent incident in his neighborhood wherein a German Shepherd killed a smaller dog.
F. Unlicensed motor bikes. The subject of unlicensed motor scooters/bikes was the next subject of discussion. The number of unlicensed devices grows during the summer when school is out. George Dodson acknowledged that the problem is difficult to address because the rules vary according to the riders’ ages and vehicle engine size. George is publishing an article on the subject in an upcoming Lake Currents.
V. New Business
A. Meeting with the Commonwealth Attorney. Steve said that he and Bill Grogan met John Bailey in Orange on July 3rd and spoke with Diana Wheeler for more than an hour. Bill then discussed the particulars of the meeting. Mrs. Wheeler agreed to ask the Virginia Attorney General for definitive options regarding two issues: Can Dodson Security write summonses for reckless driving that are returnable to Orange County for adjudication and can the Orange County sheriff come into LOW for the purpose of traffic enforcement while we still maintain our status as a private/gated community? The AG will be asked for a written response.
B. Speed Limit Adjustments Steve discussed a memo submitted by the LCC in which a majority vote of that committee recommended that speed limits on LOW cul-de-sacs and dead-end streets be formally limited to 15 mph. A vote was taken to endorse the LCC’s recommendation and pass our response to the Rules Committee. The vote was unanimous in favor.
C. Resident Survey Results. Jim Biggs discussed the recent resident survey. Out of
3800 lot owners, 1507 responses came back. Forty percent (about 600 people) answered the open ended question. Jim read some sample responses from a stack of surveys and is going to categorize these written responses. He will ask for help if needed.
D. New State Penalties. Steve passed out copies from the Code of Virginia regarding the new “civil remedial fees” that went into effect on July 1st. These penalties add significant yearly fees to Virginia drivers convicted of such things as driving with a suspended or revoked license, driving recklessly, and driving while intoxicated. When combined with existing fines, court costs, and demerit points they further exacerbate the great imbalance between public and private community penalties, he added.
E. Need for Legislation. Steve briefly covered our recent past attempt to raise fees in private communities like LOW for serious offenses such as reckless driving and driving with a revoked license. SB 1409, which was sponsored by Senator Houck and passed the state senate unanimously during the last legislative session, was killed in a subcommittee of the House of Delegates. Steve recommended a write-in lobby effort to get Delegate Ed Scott’s support. He passed out two sample emails/letters.
F. July 4th Celebrations. Jim Biggs brought up the subject of the yearly July 4th Fire and Rescue fundraising activities. He believes that many of the outsiders stayed past the 4:00 PM suggested departure time because there is no way to “uninvite” outside visitors without adding a significant number of additional security (and cost) over what we are already contracted for on that day. Jim also believes that the overcrowding has restricted LOW residents and guests from enjoying the fair, beaches and fireworks. Jim thinks that the LOW community’s rapid growth calls for a reevaluation of our open-door policy that allows anyone to attend the activities. There was some support around the table for Jim’s position. All agreed we still want to support our Fire and Rescue organization, but changes need to be made. Perhaps keeping the day open only to LOW residents and guests will allow and encourage more residents and guests to attend the festivities.
Meeting Adjourned: 9:10 PM
Next Meeting: Monday, August 13, 2007 at 3 PM
Minutes submitted by Steve Cakouros on July 16.
Approved Minutes Safety and Security Committee Meeting
August 13, 2007
Members Present BOD Liaison
Steve Cakouros (Chair) Bill Wilson
Lynn Huntsman (V.Chair)
Ed Rowan
Dick Bradie Security Representative
Jim Biggs
Mike Pulice George Dodson
Doug Weiford
Visitors
Doug Rodgers (BOD Peter Williams (BOD)
Bill Grogan (LCC) John Bailey (GM)
Joe Quimper (Finance) Chris Burr
Jim Drabant (Finance) Bruce Kay
George Snellings Jeff Flynn
Alicia Payne Don Walters
Sue Ericksen
I. Call to Order. Meeting was called to order by Chairman Cakouros at 3:05 PM.
II. Motion to approve July 9, 2007 Minutes. Motion to approve minutes made by Jim Biggs, seconded by Ed Rowan, and approved unanimously.
III. Announcements
Steve announced that Joe Quimper is the new Finance Liaison replacing Jim Drabant. He then passed out the latest membership phone and email listing.
Next, Steve noted he submitted the 2006-2007 Annual Report on July 24.
Dick Bradie is going to record his presentation on the S&S Committee for Channel 17 viewers on August 23.
IV. Old Business
A. Meeting with Rules Committee. Steve said that he and Bill Grogan met with the Rules Committee on August 8 to discuss our request for 15 mph speed limits on all cul-de-sacs and dead-end streets. The Rules Committee voted unanimously to support our request and change the regulation accordingly. The proposed change will go out for a first reading in Lake Currents.
B. Loud car stereos. Steve asked all the members in the room if they noticed a decrease in loud car stereos in the weeks since Chief George Dodson’s article appeared in Lake Currents Steve noted that the noise has lessened on his street, but one person who lives on Lakeview Pkwy said she still hears loud car radios. Steve encouraged all members to report the “boomers” to Security.
C. Narrative survey responses. Jim Biggs then passed out copies of a report he has prepared on the narrative (write-in) question in the latest Planning Committee survey. Out of 1506 survey responses received, 692 had at least one comment. The greatest number of comments concerned front gate operations, with speeding second. There were many other comments/criticisms on other subjects. Jim noted that there were some internal inconsistencies in that while some people gave the front gate—for example-- a favorable overall mark, their narrative comment (s) highlighted a significant problem with the front gate. Copies of Jim’s report will be made available to members.
V. Discussion with John Bailey, GM
A. Surveillance cameras. John explained that work is underway on installation of three video cameras at the back gate. One will have a wide view of both gates, one will focus on license plates of incoming vehicles, and the third will monitor the exit gate. The live signal will be recorded on a digital recorder at the front gate and observed real-time on a monitor. Later this month a call box with an associated small camera will be installed. Ed Rowan asked the GM if the contract covers all projected camera installations so that a financial savings could be obtained from a bulk purchase. The answer was no, as the purchases would at least initially be incremental.
B. Magnetic identity cards. This new identification system is being researched. Basic information such as name, lot & section, street address, and telephone number will be required on the information forms prior to issuance of the photo ID cards. Optional data can be added if the members so choose. The Association’s Jonas system software can be linked to this new card system as can the bar code system. The new system may be phased in by May of 2008. Prior to implementation there will be information sessions broadcast on Ch 17 and articles published in Lake Currents. At this point there was some discussion about front gate operations and the problem with unwanted visitors getting in because of cursory screening procedures. There was a suggestion by Peter Williams to install a gate in the visitor lane that would be activated by the guard. A motion was made by Lynn Huntsman and seconded by Ed Rowan to recommend that a gate be installed in the visitor lane. The motion passed unanimously and the GM asked that a memo be sent to him on the Committee action so that he and staff can gather the necessary information and present the matter to the Board of Directors.
C. Feedback from the Attorney General. The Attorney General has not yet responded to our query says Diana Wheeler, Commonwealth Attorney. As background, we had asked for a written opinion on whether LOW security can issue county summonses for certain traffic offenses that would be adjudicated in Orange County courts. This request was a response to the advice of our Association attorney who said that our private community status precludes us from doing this. Also, we asked for an explanation of how we would go about having the sheriff come in and do traffic enforcement. Both avenues would ultimately have to be approved by the BoD.
D. Purchase of speed detection device. The GM said that Elton Rupe, the Maintenance Superintendent, was going to purchase the NC-200 speed detection equipment recommended by the Committee. Steve said that he dropped off the necessary paperwork with Elton just before this meeting. A member of the audience asked if this device would take pictures of speeding vehicles. The answer was no, and Jim Biggs explained that the research he had conducted found that such a photo speed detection device would cost at least $100,000.
E. Security audit. John asked the members of the Ad-Hoc Committee on the Security Contract if they would be willing to draft a one-page RFP for an audit by security audit companies. An advertisement would be placed in local newspapers. The Ad-Hoc Committee will consider the matter and report back.
F. Allocation of the 20 additional patrol hours this fiscal year. It was explained that the hours have been used to solve specific problems and not just used on blanket weekend or night coverage. Dodson Security has had a problem with vandalism and efforts to apprehend the offenders have had some success. A brief discussion on the possibility of having youthful offenders do community service resulted in a not likely to do conclusion because of legal and insurance issues.
G. Feedback from POAVA/CAI on street house numbers. The GM has not been able to make contact with Bill Marr, president of POAVA. He also has a call in to an attorney from Troutman Sanders who also specializes in association law. There was some discussion as to why our attorney does not think we can change the regulations to force resale buyers to put in front post house numbers (which new home buyers must do).
H. Response from delegate Scott on “Due Process”. John explained to the assembled group that Delegate Ed Scott talked with the General Laws Subcommittee after they killed Senate Bill 1409 and found out that some delegates are concerned about Home Owner Association members not receiving due process when charged with serious traffic offenses such as reckless driving. John said the delegates need to be educated on our established process of adjudication with the LCC and subsequent appeal process to the BoD, which some associations do not have in place. He wants to wait; however, until other more pressing issues are discussed with our local delegate (e.g., the dam) before we press him further on this matter.
I. Policy regarding vendors using LOW amenities. Vendors can not use amenities unless they are specifically invited to do so by a member. Alicia Payne said we should use color coded tags to distinguish between different categories of visitors. Chief Dodson says they have such a system in place. Discussion moved to the bar code system and whether we should mandate that every motor vehicle has to have a bar code. After some discussion a motion was made by Jim Biggs to require all member vehicles to display barcodes. The motion was seconded by Lynn Huntsman and passed unanimously. A memo will be sent to the GM. This system would logically be implemented at the beginning of the new fiscal year in May if approved by the Board.
J. Status of Warden Program. John explained that he is waiting for Orange County to vacate the communication tower near the Maintenance yard in order to improve Warden communications in LOW. We need a new Chief Warden and we are waiting for Orange County to provide CERT training. The GM would like the S&SC to do a quarterly plan to guide the program. The GM said he will write an article discussing the Warden Program in Lake Currents.
VI. New Business
- Curve warning signs. Bill Grogan discussed a recent incident in which a teenager seriously damaged his parent’s car on the curve near the small dam. There is no curve warning sign at that location and the parents believe that had there been such a sign their son might not have had the accident. Steve then recounted a problem area on Birdie Rd near Tallwood Trail where the road curves and people sometimes drive too fast. There is no curve warning or reduced speed limit sign at that location either. Steve said we need to look at all dangerous curves and put up an appropriate sign. Steve asked Chief Dodson if his patrolmen could identify dangerous areas during their routine patrols. George agreed to do so.
- Chris Burr discussed some signage problems in the Larkspur/Wilderness area. He will email Steve with the particulars. He also brought up an environmental safety issue at the site of the old Vaucluse gold mine across from the small dam. When this property is developed serious leaching of dangerous chemicals such as arsenic could impact nearby communities. Steve recommended this issue be brought up with Orange County, which Chris said he was already planning to do.
- Jim Biggs had a question for Chief Dodson regarding the recent injury of a water skier being towed by a jet ski. There was some concern in the room that PWC are not appropriate vehicles for towing skiers because of the difficulty having spotters and the very short turning radii these vehicles have.
George asked the chair to look into the fact that a 1978 edition of our regulations required all vehicles to display permanent decals in order to obtain entry into LOW.
Meeting Adjourned: 5:05 PM Next Meeting: Monday, Sept. 10, 2007 at 7 PM
These draft minutes submitted for review on August 21, 2007. When approved at our September meeting, the final version will be disseminated in PDF format.
Approved Minutes Safety and Security Committee Meeting
September 10, 2007
Members Present BOD Liaison
Steve Cakouros (Chair) Bill Wilson
Lynn Huntsman (V.Chair)
Ed Rowan
Dick Bradie Security Representative
Jim Biggs
Mike Pulice George Dodson
Doug Weiford
Visitors
Bill Grogan (LCC)
Kathleen Bradie (Rules)
Don Walters
Glen Lee
Dave Ketch
I. Call to Order. Meeting called to order by Chairman Cakouros at 7:02 PM.
II. Announcements
Steve announced that Peter Williams is the new Board Liaison replacing Bill Wilson. Bill, however, was substituting for Peter this night. Steve then passed out the latest membership phone and email listing to Committee members.
The chair then said that on 26 August he emailed the General Manager (GM) a memo on “Entrance Procedures” that detailed Committee recommendations regarding bar codes and the visitor lane. The memo has been acknowledged by the GM. Steve passed out copies of the final version to attendees.
Dick Bradie’s recorded cable TV presentation was mentioned next. All who saw it on Channel 18 were favorably impressed. Steve noted that no one has offered his/her services to the Committee as yet, as a result of the broadcast.
Lastly, Steve mentioned his morning meeting with the GM and Chief George Dodson. Steve reiterated to the GM that it is important to get responses from the Attorney General and association legal specialists from our previous queries. Other matters discussed will be covered later in these minutes.
III. Motion to approve August 13, 2007 Minutes. Motion to approve minutes made by Lynn Huntsman, seconded by Mike Pulice, and approved unanimously.
IV. Old Business
- Surveillance cameras at the Back Gate. The three cameras at the Back Gate are installed but are awaiting installation of a T-1 line by Verizon. It may take 3 or 4 weeks to be fully operational. The call box and mini-camera are included in the installation package.
- Purchase of speed detection equipment. The NC-200 device has been received by Maintenance. The package includes hardware and software. The vendor is going to provide on-site training. When the device is operationally deployed the Maintenance Department will place and remove the device from the roadways. Data will be downloaded and printed out by Dodson Security personnel.
- AM broadcast system. Maintenance has installed the equipment for a dedicated AM radio broadcast announcement system. Antennas have been installed at both front and rear gates. Communications staff must record specific announcements and they will be run in a continual loop. This short-range radio broadcast system has yet to be tested.
- LOW communication tower update. Jim Drabant, a former radio systems program manager, has volunteered to work with Orange County in an effort to improve Warden communications by installing a repeater system on the tower near the Maintenance Depot. With the GM’s authorization, Jim has applied for additional radio frequencies and is working with the Motorola Corp. and Orange County staffers.
- Curve warning signs. Elton Rupe, Maintenance Superintendent, has ordered warning signs for both the small dam and Birdie Road curves. The signs will be installed by Maintenance ASAP.
- Security audit status. The remaining two members of the Audit sub-committee have declined the invitation by the GM to develop an RFP to solicit companies willing and able to perform a security audit. Thus, this project is in abeyance.
V. New Business
- Barred-From-Driving-in-LOW List (BFDLL). Bill Grogan, LCC chairman, discussed the BFDLL. There are currently 209 individuals barred from driving in LOW. The largest block of people is vendors (89) and there is an “Unclassified” group of 147 that may be a miscellaneous grouping. Some discussion ensued regarding the need to refine the unclassified category and to force vendor companies to pay for the fines levied against a particular driver. Bill Wilson will discuss this latter issue with the Board. There was a general consensus that concerted measures need to be taken to ensure that barred individuals are not circumventing our restrictions.
- Noise Laws. Steve passed out an Associated Press article that discusses actions that some cities such as New York City and Denver are taking against loud motorcycles. There is a growing outcry due to the proclivity of some motorcyclists to replace their factory installed mufflers with unusually loud aftermarket devices (It is against the law in Virginia to have altered exhaust systems that are noticeably louder than OEM equipment). Steve then mentioned a strange incident at the LOW front gate in July when a motor vehicle with booming sub-woofers entered the gate and was stopped by an Orange County deputy sheriff who happened to be at the front gate on other business. Apparently the deputy found something incriminating in the vehicle and arrested the suspect, said Chief Dodson.
- Bicycle accident on Lakeview. George Dodson recounted a recent serious bicycle accident on Lakeview Pkwy near the intersection of Fairway Drive. The injured woman was standing on the side of the road when she was hit by a pickup truck and thrown a considerable distance. Her injuries were serious. The driver of the pickup truck was cited for reckless driving.
- Monthly Report. Steve read through some of the incidents reported in the August monthly security report. He focused on incidents that involved the Sheriff’s department. He also noted that the number of traffic citations has dropped to 55 from a monthly high of 163 in May.
- Miscellaneous.
- Ed Rowan mentioned a recent early morning situation at the Life Estates mail station where a woman parked her vehicle in a location that impeded traffic flow. Her children were running around the mail station while waiting for school buses. George will look into this.
- Dick Bradie reminded the assembled masses that he still sees speeding school buses and RSA trucks in the area of the small lake boat ramp. Chief Dodson noted the situation and said that in the past he has notified the bus dispatcher and the local head of RSA.
- Visitor Dave Ketch then recounted a difficult past situation concerning his adult daughter and a possible stalker who was apparently a vendor. A Sheriff’s deputy investigated but was not able to find the suspect. Mr. Ketch wanted to know if license plates of incoming vehicles are recorded in the visitor lane. Chief Dodson explained that they are, but only for a week. Unfortunately, this incident happened about a year ago. It was generally acknowledged that had this avenue been pursued in a timely fashion to identify the suspect vehicle, the matter may have been quickly resolved. There is nothing that can be done now.
- Visitor Glen Lee then introduced himself as a long-time law enforcement officer. He believes that Dodson Security personnel need to be more professional in appearance (e.g., no smoking while directing vehicles in the visitor lane) and receive better training in such things as report writing. Based on his dealings with Dodson Security personnel in a vandalism incident (s) he would have to give them a poor grade.
- Lastly, it was noted that occasionally people see a man in a wheelchair tooling along Lakeview Pkwy near the lower level parking lot. It was generally agreed that for safety purposes, the wheelchair needs a back reflector. George Dodson explained that a generous resident has already offered to pay for the reflector.
Meeting Adjourned: 8:40 PM |